Thursday, March 10, 2016

So, Who Would Win?: The Punisher VS. The Punisher 2099


That's right folks, just like the title of this post says,  it's another edition of So, Who Would Win?, as I pit the Punishers of two different eras against each other to see who's the best Punisher around; the original, or the futuristic version.

In one corner, we the have the original Punisher and the guy who's super-hot right now due to his appearance in the upcoming second season of Daredevil on Netflix.
Frank Castle's the guy who besides Wolverine, helped established the cool factor of the antihero and the ensuing fad at Marvel which would grow in popularity and coverage, hitting its peak in the 90's.

Frank's been around the block more than twice, and has gone up against some of the best and most beloved heroes of the MU, and even some of its villains, and walked away to tell write the tale down in his war journal.

As for his skills, most of you may probably already know them by heart, but via his Wikipedia entry, here's a very detailed list of his many extensive and various skills and weapons available to him as he wages his one-man war on crime:

Skills, weapons, and abilities

The Punisher is the recipient of multi-disciplinary military training from the United States Marine CorpsForce Reconnaissance. While a Marine, he also received training from theAirborne School and U.S. Navy SEALs as well as cross-training with the Australian Special Air Service Regiment during the Vietnam War. In addition, since beginning his work as the Punisher, Castle has used his military discipline and training techniques to update and expand his skills in areas that aid in his mission (disguise, acting, use of non-military weapons, etc.). From this training, Punisher is proficient in not only basic infantry skills, but in special operations, which includes the use and maintenance of specialized firearms and explosive ordnance. He is highly trained in infiltration into heavily guarded enemy territories and structures for the purpose of assassination, capture, and military intelligence. Also, he is trained in various forms of camouflage and stealth. He is also highly adept at hand-to-hand combat, and has been trained in multiple forms of martial arts such as Nash Ryu JujutsuNinjutsuShorin-ryu KarateHwa Rang Do, and Chin Na.[55] Both Nick Fury and Tony Stark have commented on how extraordinarily high his pain tolerance is. He does not take over-the-counter painkillers, as he feels that their benefit of dulling pain is not worth the side effects of drowsiness and slowed reflexes.
He maintains multiple safehouses and vehicles around the greater New York City area as well as multiple forged identities and bank accounts (most of the funds and equipment aiding him in his work being taken from the criminals he hunts). The Punisher has a Kevlar uniform which protects him from most gunfire, though he can still suffer concussive injury or penetration from sufficient or repeated impacts. The bright white skull in his chest is used both to intimidate his enemies and to lure their fire to the more heavily protected area of his armor. The design was supposedly taken from either a Vietcong sniper,[56] or the demon Olivier.[57] The Punisher has been using technology derived from super-villains and other costumed characters, such as the Green Goblin's pumpkin bombs,[58] a modified Goblin Glider,[59] and a Doctor Octopus tentacle that he can shrink down for easy storage via Pym Particles.
Aside from his physical prowess, the Punisher also has complete control of his mind and consciousness, providing a strong resistance against psychic and telepathic powers that are used against him. When Letha and Lascivious tried to control Punisher's mind, Punisher scoffs at their attempt saying "It doesn't feel different from any other day".[60]

Even I didn't know about his strong resistance to mental control. Cool huh?

As for the other participant in all this, Jake Gallows, a.k.a. Punisher 2099.
Gallows used to be a member of a privately-owned police/security force in the future called the Public Eye Police Force, until his family is killed by an evil businessmen.
After that he happens upon Franks's confiscated journal in an archive, and decides to take up Frank's cause and life's mission as the Punisher.

Love this line of his right here:

Here's a list of his skills and abilities:

AbilitiesTrained hand to hand combatant and martial artist
Expert marksman and motorcyclist
Weapons expert
Wears a cybernetic suit that grants:
Enhanced strength, agility and durability
"Face-scrambler" to conceal identity
Ability to upload martial arts programs

and here's more once again via Wikipedia:

Abilities, equipment, and base of operations

Jake Gallows is an athletic man with no superhuman powers. As a Public Eye Officer, Gallows has received police training in hand-to-hand combat and martial arts and is an expert marksman and motorcyclist. He is also a weapons expert, collecting some of the best weaponry of his time including smart-targeting grenazers, a plasma gas cannon and flame sticks. Additionally, he carries some notable firearms from the past including a Smith & Wesson .54-caliber Magnum handgun (2015 vintage) and a Stark-Fujikawa .48-caliber Street Pacifier. One of his key weapons is the "power bat" which can vary in density settings from hard rubber to titanium, to either injure or kill an opponent. Jake keeps this set at "soft rubber" as default, a precaution which saves his life on at least one point.
The Punisher also wears a cybernetic suit of body armor of unknown materials with a "heat sink" capability, equipped with multiple technological devices, such as "face-scrambler" circuitry to avoid detection by the many security cameras on the city streets and turbo kickboots. The armor covers his exo-muscular undersuit, which enhances his strength, agility and durability, and is equipped with microwave sensors, a computer trajectory mapping system and bio-synergetic capacity for programming with various martial arts techniques and fighting styles for hand-to-hand combat.
The Punisher also uses a super-sonic motorcycle for transportation, the H.D. Stealth Stinger. This is a unique police motorcycle capable of 800 mph (1,300 km/h) speeds, equipped with an air screen, computer probability mapping system, city traffic system override capability, sound bafflers, inertia brakes, various weaponry, a projection holo-beam, and wrap-around projection holo-image system enabling functional invisibility. He has also used the Black Ambulance, which is equipped with security support systems to prevent prisoner escape.
Jake keeps a secret base in the basement of his home. The base contains a complex prison, which he uses to temporarily detain prisoners. The Punisher interrogates prisoners and when finished he executes them via an electric chair-like molecular disintegrator.
So there you have it. Both men are highly skilled and trained enough to give the other as good as a fight as it'll get. But who survives this massive fight to walk away as the ultimate Punisher?


The Punisher(Frank Castle)


The Punisher 2099(Jake Gallows)

Who Wins and Why?

I'm curious to see who you guys pick as the winner in this one considering how skilled and resourceful both men are.

Alright kids, have a good one.....


Shlomo Ben Hungstien said...

that whole Marvel 2099 never worked for me and even just the look of Punisher's costume is just one more reason for that. definitely not missing any of that when it comes to the early 90s of Marvel.

The King of Thessaly said...

Jake Gallows was just a parody of Frank Castle, really... He was all the crazy shit The Punisher was- BUT TO THE EXTREME!!! Just look at that costume... it's gloriously terrible. (And I think it's design was even a little jab at Azrael's Batman costume too) His comic was one of the weaker offerings from the 2099 line... But I still love him showing up again recently, too!
Even though Frank would be out-gunned: I think he'd outsmart a rage-fueled maniac like Gallows.

Dale Bagwell said...

@Shlomo- A majority of it was weak yeah, especially Stan Lee's Ravage, which sucked balls to the extreme despite an icon like Lee writing it. It just showed us all sadly how out of touch he was when it came to writing in the more modern era.
Personally I was thrilled for the whole concept when it first debuted. Shit, I still remember QVC pimping the shit out of all shiny, foil-covered 1's.
Initially I was into X-Men2099 and Spider-man2099, but then lost interest and only collected very sporadically. If it had better writers (With the exceptions of Peter David, Pat Mills and Ellis) and much better art, it could've been better and lasted a but longer than it did. But it was most defintiely of its time, like a lot of fads from that decade.

@King- Never thought of it like that, the comparisons to AzBats, but I guess I can see it. Tom Morgan may have been used a good bit during the 90's but I never really warmed up to his art style, especially during his Iron Man run.
From what I've read, Gallows was very much a parody/caricature of Frank, just not as well-written. I guess in a sense, he's what Frank could become later down the line if he chose to, although I'm sure he'd probably be jealous of that private jail complete with execution gear that Gallows had underneath his home.
I figure Gallows's future tech would allow him to give Frank enough of a problem for the fight to last a good long time, before Frank out frank's him in the end.

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