Thursday, May 28, 2015

So, Who Would Win?: The Incredible Hulk VS. Doomsday


Well two big things of interest happened this week(with a smaller occuring yesterday) and if you've been off the internet lately, you might've missed hearing about them.

1). Convergence Ends.....Confusion abounds:

It really should come as to no surprise that the finale to the event that wasn't supposed to be an event, ended things on a really confusing note. Convergence#8 ended with "the machine god", Brainiac sending Parallax and some other pre-NU52 characters off to stop the original CRISIS from happening. Yes, you read that right CRISIS supposedly now didn't happen....or at least not the way you remember it did. really sort of explained it all:

A couple double-page spreads show what happened to the other earths that Brainiac grabbed, and it looks a little something like this:

Basically the main problem and reason for all these characters having to team-up is ultimately solved off-panel, with Brainiac first going "There's a problem that affects all realities, so you and you and you go fix it", and then in the same breath he goes "Oh wait, nevermind. Crisis averted, problem solved."

So yeah, finally an "event" that delievers just what it set out to do; absolutely nothing. A place-holder and monumental waste of everybody's time and money spent on the main series and tie-ins.

What's even more confusing is the language used by Dildo, that once again, "This was planned all along", and that those other worlds still exist for future use. But then you look at those images, and the previous past continiuites seem to be getting erased/evolved into their current NU52 form.

So that answers my question about where Grant Morrison's Multiversity fits into all this. It still does, even those those other 7 unmarked Earths could've been used to house some of those pre-NU52 worlds.

Confusion, thy name is DC.

2). Veteran writer Gerry Conway appologizes to DC.

Yep, the same guy that publically called out and lambasted DC for their unfair and very fucked up creator royalties policy, recently came out and appologized to DC for being so critical of them.

Here's a sample of his reasons for why the sudden about face courtesy once again of

"Why do I keep having to learn the same lessons over and over?
Those who follow my blog know that in recent weeks I posted some hot-headed remarks regarding my perception of how DC Comics treats creators. While I stand by at least one of my basic points – I think DC’s policy concerning “derivative” characters is self-defeating – I need to walk back pretty much everything else, especially my characterization of the motives of the men involved in developing, explaining and implementing DC’s creators equity program.
I need to apologize to Geoff Johns, Dan DiDio, Jim Lee, and Larry Ganem.
I’ve been an ass.
I didn’t leave DC on good terms in the mid-80s. At the time, as you might now guess, I blamed DC for that (and still feel the people involved might have handled things better). But as time has passed, and particularly after my humiliating encounter with my old high school friend, I’ve reconsidered my interpretation of that leaving, and I’ve accepted my own considerable contribution to the collapse of my business relationship with the company.
Unfortunately, my head doesn’t always communicate with my heart. And because I left the comic book business just a few year after I left DC, and spent the following twenty-five years doing other things, when I returned to the field it was as an emotional Rip Van Winkle. My mind had moved on but my heart was stuck in an angry place. Unconsciously, I was looking for proof that the DC Comics of today was the same DC Comics I fought with thirty years ago.
Like I said, I’m an ass.
As Geoff Johns very kindly pointed out to me when I tried to explain my reason for carrying a grudge over the last dealings I had with the company, “Gerry, you’re talking about things that happened when I was twelve years old.”
It was a horrible, humiliating lightbulb moment.
I’m not just an ass, I’m a jackass.
So– Geoff, Dan, Jim, Larry– I’m sorry. Deeply, truthfully, painfully sorry. You deserve more respect and consideration than I’ve given you. I hope this very public apology makes that clear
You can read the rest here:

But yeah, that Gerry.

My immediate thoughts was either he's A). Being truthful and just now realizing his part in some of this, or B). DC paid him some hush money.

It's probably both.

And what really stings about this sudden back-peddeling is that he really and legitimately had/has a case against DC for their attrocious royalties policy. The legal langauage is so confusing and contradictorary that it would take a huge team of the best copyright lawyers in the world, spending around the clock attention to make even some fraction of sense out of all of it.

Not to mention now DC can use Gerry as an example to further screw over other creators when it comes to them attempting to get their due royalties.

Just as soon as he was the biggest asset to the cause, he's now become its biggest and most recent detremint.
I take my victories where I can folks;)

3). I got banned from the forum.....for a whole week.

Alright, I guess it doesn't count as beng really all that newsworthy, but I do accept it as small victory.
Bascially I was banned because the moderator of the forum didn't like that I refereed to Mr. Didio as "Dildo", and "Didiot." I could've called him worse, and have here on this blog, but I guess doing it there is a big no no.

Here's my official ban statement:

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Calling Dan DiDio "Dildo" and then a day later "Didiot" is not the way one should discuss a creator on CBR. You have been given a week off to consider how to make your points without sinking to name calling.
Date the ban will be lifted: 06-03-2015, 12:00 PM"

I take my victories where I can folks;)
And now, onto this week's edition of So, Who Would Win?I'll admit I wasn't the first to come up with this match up, but I believe it bears repeating.When you consider the destructive forces of nature the Hulk and Doomsday are, you just now anytime those two are pitted against one another, colossial amounts of  property and collaterial damage can and will occur.
Such is the case when the Hulk fights Doomsday.
If you know you're comic history, than you know how the Hulk's powers work: The madder he gets, the stronger he gets, with seeminly no limits to how strong he can theoritically get.

While Doomsday may not have the same deal, he's still pretty damn strong. And when you throw in the fact that his body automatically adapts to any defeat or damage he suffers, then you can see whetre this particualr fight could last long while.....hell weeks, months, even years depending on the circumstances.
Did I mention the Hulk also has a rapid regenerating, healing factor as well? Yeah, looooooooooong fight.
What makes this one so interesting though, is that while the Hulk's had his fair share of fighing similar monsters like Doomsday, I don't think with maybe the exception of the Abomination and the Maestro, he's fought someone so similar to him like Doomsday.
Doomsday on the other hand? I don't think he's really faced someone like the Hulk either, making this match up a truly interesting affair.
The Incredible Hulk



Who Wins and Why?
Let me know what you guys think.

As always, I hope you guys and gals have a good weekend:)


Shlomo Ben Hungstien said...

finally you've got a match between characters i know well. i'll go with Doomsday that guy doesn't even have any internal organs not to mention his healing factor and his ability to evolve adaptations within seconds to cope with adverse circumstances. i think all that stuff would give him a slight edge over the Hulk no matter how pissed he would get.

Dale Bagwell said...

I could see where'd you get that, and there's no denying that, combined with his numerous sharp bone protrusions would also play a heavy factor in the fight.

Still for myself, I gotta go with the Hulk. If it all it took to take doomy down was for Superman to out-punch him(which he really didn't) than surely(don't call me shirley) the Hulk's got this one the bag.

For more intersting match-ups though, how about the Red Hulk or the Maestro(evil Hulk) vs. Doomsday?

Shlomo Ben Hungstien said...

couldn't tell ya I don't know shit about those Hulks. there's the classic green Hulk and later the grey Hulk but every Hulk after that I never kept up with.

Dan W said...

Didiot :D I like that one! Stupid forums. They never let good humour go.

As for the match up, Hulk. Doomsday is pretty much the Abomination and Hulk's taken him out plenty of times. Tip your waitress I'm here till Thursday.

Dale Bagwell said...

@Dan: I know right? its funny. I bet even Dan Didiot himself would probably like that one. I could see it catching amongst the staffers there in the new trendy DC Offices.

Speaking of, my suspension is apparently up today. Maybe I should see what it'll take to get banned again;)

Yeah, that's pretty much what Max Landis said(well he said Doomsday was basically the Hulk) but yeah. I don't see why the Hulk could't ultimately take Doomy, even though it'll be a REALLLLLLLLLLY long fight.

I only tip 10%. Does that make me a bad person?;)

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