Thursday, May 07, 2015

So, Who Would Win?: Cable VS. Captain America(Steve Rogers)


How about last night's episode of Arrow huh?
Man, did Ollie swerve the shit out of us and Team Arrow, especially them , not once, but twice!


Basically this week it's revealed that Ollie and Merlyn cooked up a plan where Ollie pretends to submit to Ra's brainwashing in order to shutdown the Ra's and the League from within....over time. What they didn't count on was Ra's moving things up, and wanting Ollie to douse Starling City with the Omega Virus.

Forced to reveal themselves to Team Arrow, they all go back to Nanda Parbat to stop Ra's.
But then they all get captured....again...amd Merlyn snitches Ollie out to Ra's.

Nice one Merlyn. Never change man, never change;)
Now thanks to Merlyn, Ollie has to once again prove his loyality to Ra's, and supposedly exposes Team Arrow to the same virus that Ra's wants to use on Starling City and the same virus that killed Akio.

Oh, and he marries Nyssa. Right in front of Felicity.


It was pretty cool seeing a really well-designed costume for Katana. She was wearing the NU52 version of her costume, but it fit here, and looked good instead of weird and unrealistic.
Gotta' feel bad for her though, as she was forced to kill her husband, effectively losing all of her family.
Maybe Ollie will feel bad for her and offer her a place on Team Arrow.....

And you know they're not dead.
I think Ollie just used some knockout gas so it would look good, but I bet Team Arrow didn't know that, as they looked and sounded like they were really about to die, once again betrayed by Ollie.

Man is that dude going to have a hell of a task in front of him just trying to explain and smooth things over with them after this.

Oh, and Thea found Roy. Who then hit it and quit it. Again.
Damn, you'd think she'd be smarter than that by now, but no, she's sprung.
Thouhg to be fair, she didn't think he'd leave her again....and with HIS costume too no less. Hmmm.

I believe next week is the next to last episode of the season, and man what a season finale yet to come I think. Can't wait to see how it all ends.

And now, onto todays fantasy fight, as I pit Cable against Captain America in this week's edition of So, Who Would Win?

Now these two have fought before during the Avengers: X-Sanction mini-series where Cable believes(or tricked into believing) that the Avengers will kill Hope, leading to the world ending.
It was horrible, and I really regret having bought the 3 issues that I did, because Jeph Loeb sucks.

The issue I have manily isn't so much that Cable couldn't take Cap, but just in the way it was done, and so, so quick.

Look, I realize that if you really think about it, Cable's basically a time-traveling mutant version of the Punisher, but even still, taking out Captain America should be by no means an easy feat. Just ask his rogues' gallery about that. Or the Avengers.

Still, I'm sure he could, but do you?

Here's the stats on both men:

350 lbs.
Cable possesses vast psychic power, most often manifested in the forms of telepathy and telekinesis. His telepathy has proven great enough in power and scope as to allow him to read thoughts across vast distances, and even interface with multiple minds, simultaneously. While the full limits of his mental abilities in this area have yet to be disclosed, Cable has also demonstrated the ability to project bolts or blasts of mental energy that are capable of easily killing or rendering unconscious another Human being. These bolts do not do physical damage. Cable has also demonstrated mastery of astral projection, and is able to remain on his own plane of existence, or to traverse into any of the so-called "Astral Planes", very much like Professor X. Telekinetically, Cable is capable of very fine control over objects; he can disassemble complex devices explosively (separating every last component, such as screws, nuts, circuit boards, etc.), and just as quickly and easily assemble complex devices. This also has enabled him to even attain awareness and control over objects as small as individual electrons in an atom. For instance, Cable could detect if a seal was hermetic, or not, by checking for the presence of penetrating oxygen molecules. He could even detect and discern individual oxygen molecules, and determine the atomic weight of molecules, by the amount of atoms present. Cable has also demonstrated the ability to alter molecular and atomic structures in such substances as his own techno-organic components (though this may be a function of telekinesis, as opposed to a discreet superhuman power). On larger levels, Cable can levitate great weights, into the tons, but his upper limit has remained undisclosed. This is possible that he doesn’t know his own limits, but it is unlikely, due to his intense commitment to training; more likely, Cable chooses not to disclose the full extent of his abilities, as he knows this is data that could be utilized against him, by opponents or even former allies. Cable has also been seen creating protective force fields around himself and others through the use of his telekinetic powers. The upper limits of this ability remain unknown, but it is believed that he could probably protect himself from harm at the ground zero detonation of a 1 kiloton nuclear warhead (4.18 terajoules of energy from the heat, concussion and radiation effects). It is possible that this may not be his upper limit, and may also be an indicator of the limits of his ability to lift large weights telekinetically. Cable has also displayed such control over the fields as to shape them precisely, even to conform very closely to his body’s form. There does not appear to be any correlation between field strength and the thickness of the telekinetic fields. Originally, Cable was telekinetically preoccupied by using his power to inhibit the progression of his body’s techno-organic virus throughout his body, and this was a process that required constant attention. With the solution to this problem through his merger with a techno-organic embryo, however, this function is no longer necessary, leaving him totally free to concentrate his telekinetic powers on other things. He has displayed the ability to control the minds and even voluntary and involuntary bodily functions of sentient beings (such as other Humans) Cable has proven very difficulty to psychically assail, as he is very well skilled in shielding his own mind from mental-attacks (such as attempts to read, control or harm his own mind), and has been sufficient to protect himself from other psychics on the level of Phoenix (Jean Grey), Professor X and Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey).Much of Cable’s body has been infiltrated and altered by the techno-organic virus, which has taken the form of cybernetics and bionics, meaning he is a cyborg. The primary infection resides in Cable’s left side. As a consequence of his telekinetic guidance and his ability to control his own physical substance, Cable’s entire body has been heavily fortified, down to the cellular level, rendering superhuman strength to an unknown degree, as well as a superhuman level of resistance to physical harm. While he was injured in combat with the Hulk, the injuries were not nearly as severe as they should’ve been, especially in light of the fact that he was suffering from the effects of his techno-organic virus getting out of control. His entire skeletal structure has been replaced by porous, marrow-filled organic metalloid bone replacements that do not interfere with the creation of erythrocytes (red blood cells). Cable possesses superhuman physical endurance, just as he does superhuman levels of mental endurance. He is capable of exerting himself at peak levels (fighting full-out, sprinting, etc.) for several hours, before fatigue begins to visibly impair his performance. He is also capable of going extended periods of time without sleep, being fully capable of fully resting with not much over an hour of sleep. However, whenever both possible and feasible, Cable still chooses to sleep for hours at a time (approximately 6 – 8), in order to dream. This high endurance has had other effects on his body, making even his soft tissues extremely durable, and more than up to the task of rendering him virtually immune to conventional firearms and conventional firearm munitions. His entire CNS (Central Nervous System) has been augmented by chemical changes down to the atomic level and by biocomputer enhancement, rendering his reaction time far above what is possible for a Human being. In spite of his great size and impressive build, Cable is literally fast enough to evade high-powered bullets in-flight (after they have been fired), and even has the ability to visually track rounds after they’ve been fired (though they are not easy to see, except through his cybernetic eye). This great speed is also visible in superhuman levels of dexterity and agility, including manual and pedal dexterity. Spotting the speedster Super-Saber running at superhuman speed, Cable was actually able to physically attack and stop him. Super-Saber, himself, was fast enough to create “sonic booms” by snapping his fingers, and also had superhumanly high reaction time. However, in spite of his obviously great speed, he is still not as fast as other paranormals like Spider-Man and Daredevil.Among his many cybernetic functions, Cable possesses a cybernetic left eye. This eye permits Cable to see deep into the EM (Electro-Magnetic) spectrum, and far deeper than any known 20th – 21st century technologies are capable of. It is also possible that through this eye, Cable is able to see the deployment of psionic energies, as well as the less exotic spectra of electromagnetic energies.His left arm is completely mechanical, and while Cable is ambidextrous, is his stronger arm, probably capable of allowing him to curl and deadlift several tons, without assistance from his right arm. His right arm is also cybernetic, but far less so.Through a combination of his telekinetic abilities, and his ability to rearrange the atomic structures of matter (including his own techno-organic matter), Cable is able to rapidly repair any damaged components within his body. However, if there is widespread damage, this may not be possible, as he may be unable to muster the energy to affect these repairs. When he was attacked by Magneto, and virtually every component in the left side of his body was damaged or destroyed, Cable was left unable to repair enough systems to save his own life, and required outside assistance. It is through these abilities that the physical appearance of his cybernetic components has changed, over the passage of time, as well. At times, they have been articulated, smooth artificial limbs, while at others they have been observed to grow razor-sharp blades on command, as well as retract them. Cable is also able to rapidly redesign and improve his cybernetic and bionic components, thus. On-the-spot improvisations has allowed him to create a variety of microcomputers in his totally mechanized left arm that do such things as allow him to physically interface with exterior computers, uplink/download to computers he has hidden across the world and in space (such as those he had on Graymalkin), and even permit cellular communications and high-speed, broadband, wireless Internet access.Cable possesses an intellect that may be on par with that of Reed Richards, which may be superhuman. He is also in possession of an education provided by the Clan Askani, which is far in advance of 20th – 21st century Earth-616 conventional education, especially in the sciences. less
Captain America:
220 lbs
Captain America represented the pinnacle of human physical perfection. He experienced a time when he was augmented to superhuman levels, but generally performed just below superhuman levels for most of his career. Captain America had a very high intelligence as well as agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he had metabolized had enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Most notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance. 
Captain America had mastered the martial arts of American-style boxing and judo, and had combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He had also shown skill and knowledge of a number of other martial arts. He engaged in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peak condition. Captain America was one of the finest human combatants Earth had ever known. 



 Captain America 

Who Wins and Why?
You guys and gals know the drill. Tell me who think wins out in the end.

Have a good weekend folks.....


Dan W said...

This is the best and tightest match-up for me out of all the ones you've had so far mr! Both are favourites of mine and the moment I start thinking about how one would win my mind flips to the other.

I actually see Cable as a time travelling Cap - just without the exterior virtues, but still with the interior old fashioned beliefs.

Plus telepathy, a cybernetic virus infested arm and random other abilities depending on who is writing :)

Sticking my money on the table quickly before I change my mind, I'm backing Cap. Siure Cable is telepathic and can interface with machines, but Cap has fought this before. He'd want you to know he's coming for you, and he'd be pretty used to thinking 'I'm going to kick' but actually punching in order to null any telepathy.

Plus he's a better strategist. Sure Cable's led X-Force and faught Apocalypse for the futures survival, but Cap is who the world turns to when the Beyonder shows up, the Infinity Gauntlet gets possessed, or Ultron gets cranky. He can think at a level Cable just cant match.

Dale Bagwell said...

It is huh Dan?
I'll be honest, like you, I too am on the fence on this one. Cable to me, as I said before, is the time-travelling, cybernetically-enchanced version of the Punisher. Plus he's no slouch in the lest in the strategy department. And sine he's also a Summers, he's a natural born leader.

For me, its his strenghts such as his near limitless supply of time-clone bodies and telekentic and telepathic powers that make want to side with him over Cap. That's a hard edge to combat, but if anyone can, it's certainly Cap.

Damn, just too close to call it for me for now. Maybe tomorrow will yield a more decisive answer from me on this one.

Glad you liked it though.

Randomnerd said...

Cable might win, but forevermore will be known as the douchey mutant who took down the brave and admirable Captain America.

Not sure this would bother him, but it might hurt his recruitment drives.

Shlomo Ben Hungstien said...

that first series of X-Men figures from ToyBiz was atrocious. mediocre sculpts (especially Wolverine)and hardly any points of articulation. but they made some serious improvements later on the Wolverine variants (his classic costume and Weapon X) were especially awesome they were well sculpted and you could actually put them in action poses. I also had that Warpath figure it was also a good one despite his head not be able to turn.

Dale Bagwell said...

@Random: Long time no see stranger! How ya' been?

Yeah I don't think he'd really care all that much if he's popular or not. I mean shit, he took out a couple Avengers and gave absolutely no fucks about it. I think he at least admired Cap, but still did what he did anyways.

The key to this fight for me, is that Cap's got to neutralize Cable's powers in order to defeat him. Otherwise, Cable's got this.

@Shlomo: Yeah they really were horrible. What was funny was they gave Wolverine a finger ring as a mask. But yeah they got better thankfully.

Randomnerd said...

Hey Dale! Just doing the so busy I drop like a nail in clumsy hands once I'm home. Although you'll be happy to know the book is finally done and published. I'll send you a copy asap.

Dale Bagwell said...

No kidding!? Can't wait to read it.
Grindhorse/Kansas may be done and over with, but the artist and writer's starting on a new project with are cover guy, so looks like I may too be back in the publishing business;)

Randomnerd said...

Yay! Can't wait to see what you guys come up with next.

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